nostriluu, You are right that some of these kits are way over the top. However this is not just about those standard web forms. I was asked by my users to change my web app to display all of the fields on a single form so that they can just scroll through. Managing about 50 fields in plain html forms is a pain. These glitzy toolkits provide a easier (no easy mind) way for me to display all of the fields on one form, but handle them as separate forms in the back end. The glitz is there, but I dont have to use it. »